Maonaki
Member
You can say goodbye to race bonus buyer and probably same for double XP/RP.
Maybe radical changes have to be submited to polls.
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Testing reward payout changes.
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Maybe radical changes have to be submited to polls.
Khrono Fujiwara
Active member
Also nothing in Jack's post suggested the race bonuses and double xp/rp were going anywhere. Or that people wouldn't buy them. You did this in another thread. PLEASE, STOP SPEAKING FOR OTHERS!!! I for one not only backed the game for 100 bucks but intend to keep buying things and throwing money at this game. So if you do not intend to spend any money, that is fine. To each their own. Just don't act like you know the player base and speak for everyone. Based on your opinions so far vs the opinions of the majority which have been here for months. You are the minority here and your opinions don't match the vast majority of the community. So please... stop.
Maonaki
Member
I speak for me and i just give my opinions, there are others speaking for everyone and telling "the only truth".
Akor
Member
"You can say goodbye to race bonus buyer and probably same for double XP/RP" - It's not an opinion. It's more like spoiled child's phrase, not more.
And there are no radical changes which require a polls. Before to implement it was explained clearly why and what for it was made.
TheYellowKitten
Member
Sir @Maonaki,considering all your posts,I can see you are one who doesnt want the game to be touched at all,being hostile with everything related to changes. In fact I understand you're extremely conservative about the way PT is,I do respect that but I'm sorry to say,you're really an minority here if not alone at all,so you gotta also respect what the majority wants ok.
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PUMA
Member
Gentlemen, how long have you guys been online? This is an ordinary trolololo... why are you wasting time on it, and even in every topic, just a shock...
On the topic, maybe it’s worth adding in TA a percentage of no more than a position? You arrive first from 20, you receive pension increase ?
On the topic, maybe it’s worth adding in TA a percentage of no more than a position? You arrive first from 20, you receive pension increase ?
Lazy Liquid
Member
Even if Perfect Drift grinding would be highly nerfed, as long as i could find people to drift with, i´d continuously doing it over and over, because thats my cup of tea. But ID DO THAT ON SIM VS. Drifting in Arcade VS, even profitable, is not satisfying nor makes me feel rewarded. Same as do over and over just one single track.
What makes me think: If building perfect drifts in Arcade is much easier compared to Sim VS, why they should pay as the same?
You gotta be really skilled and have a well tuned vehicle to make the same number of PDs like you normaly do on Arcade driving any shitbox. And that would open space to a whole deeper discussion about if Arcade mode should be a transition path to Sim VS (considering if Sim VS would pay more, i believe that high tier level people wouldn´t want to wipe newbie´s asses on Arcade mode all day long), or a permanent mode.
Even still... Sim VS deserves a better payout than Arcade VS in every way, mostly because demands a whole completly new level of skills to drive properly.
Also, nobody is talking about the track difficulty bonus. That should be tweaked too, specialy considering tracks with higher average speed and number of corners by lap. That would be a great helper to make racers build more money, specialy because their rounds are faster and shorter than Drift grinding sections.
What makes me think: If building perfect drifts in Arcade is much easier compared to Sim VS, why they should pay as the same?
You gotta be really skilled and have a well tuned vehicle to make the same number of PDs like you normaly do on Arcade driving any shitbox. And that would open space to a whole deeper discussion about if Arcade mode should be a transition path to Sim VS (considering if Sim VS would pay more, i believe that high tier level people wouldn´t want to wipe newbie´s asses on Arcade mode all day long), or a permanent mode.
Even still... Sim VS deserves a better payout than Arcade VS in every way, mostly because demands a whole completly new level of skills to drive properly.
Also, nobody is talking about the track difficulty bonus. That should be tweaked too, specialy considering tracks with higher average speed and number of corners by lap. That would be a great helper to make racers build more money, specialy because their rounds are faster and shorter than Drift grinding sections.
Akor
Member
In this case farmers from Arcade would move to Sim to grind on Wangan and Marmey, that's all. I doubt that sim players would be happy to see such rooms in this mode.
Lazy Liquid
Member
First of all, Sim players must stop to be elitist and treat the mode as a holy ground.
As more people plays that mode, better will be the payouts. And i think that at this point there is no chance to play without ghost mode ON, so you should stop to care about rammers too.
Please, elaborate. Wangan with 2 accounts from the same user or a room full of racers trying their best for the first place?
Because in the first case, is an issue that devs must deal by theirselves. In the second, people love wangan no mater how its farm friendly or not. And no, there is no easy win on there.
And yes, it Still much better than stay all day long on Arcade VS obliterating every single newbie in game to have all bonuses same as Sim VS.
Besides, Arcade VS always will have more people playing (newbies, arcade enthusiasts, griefers), so with rooms having more people, the bonuses will be higher proportionaly.
And even........ your point doen´t have nothing to do with mine. Sim VS still requiring a whole set of skills that you can´t develop playing on arcade. So probably arcade VS aces will have a real hard time trying to keep up with those who are used to tame a car in Sim VS.
Akor
Member
"First of all, Sim players must stop to be elitist ..."
And then trying to prove that Arcade doesnt require to have any skills, tracks knowledge, only SIM lol
When it comes to competition with top players, it doesn't matter of mode, it still hard to win.
And how you prefer to play is your choice, to drift or with grip or to ram others.
What Skills in Sim on Wangan or Marmey required and Arcade not? Why suddenly it should be paid more?
And then trying to prove that Arcade doesnt require to have any skills, tracks knowledge, only SIM lol
When it comes to competition with top players, it doesn't matter of mode, it still hard to win.
And how you prefer to play is your choice, to drift or with grip or to ram others.
What Skills in Sim on Wangan or Marmey required and Arcade not? Why suddenly it should be paid more?
Khrono Fujiwara
Active member
You claim that Sim players need to stop having elitest attitudes and then proceed to call arcade racers noobs...... so umm.. hypocrite much? Perhaps some people simply want a relaxing ride and are not hardcore tryhards so they stick arcade. Your suggestion that they are noobs and that you could "easily beat them all day" shows that you yourself have the elitist mentality you say sim racers need to get rid of. Perhaps it is best to lead by example instead of preach things you yourself can not do.
Lazy Liquid
Member
Ok, minefield, lets make it more clear:
- Arcade VS is the first mode that anyone will play the game. And they will be small fishes with their bone stock cars without know the physics and tracks. And noobs are diferent than newbies. They will face in their way so call griefers and Arcade VS "experts" that can´t handle Sim VS because there is no easy win there. Do i need to be more clear?
- Arcade VS compared to Sim VS, you don´t have any effort to tame the car. Nor you have effort to hold the car in sideways (the assists holds the car for you, gently). The understeers is completly diferent than Sim VS. You can´t be any genious to realize that by yourself.
- I still affirm that Sim VS not only is elitist, but always was. People hold that mode as the holy ground. There´s a level cap to filter who is worthy to play that mode. And only those who are looking for that kind of experience, even having dozen of hours playing on Arcade VS and having to learn all over again and stay humble after get wiped over and over on Sim VS, are good enough to stay. And i don´t care about that, but i REALLY CARE ABOUT to look to both servers, see 10 people playing Sim VS and 150 on Arcade VS. Its pure logic: why you would leave a mode where you´re good and competitive, and can achieve easy wins above newbies for a mode that will demand much more effort for the same payout and probably more loses?
And what to say about the purists that don´t want to have Sim VS Drift and Wait rooms? Oh... elitism again.
And Khrono, don´t try me. I know your fame from Discord and AG forums years ago.
EDIT: What Wangan on Sim VS is harder than Arcade VS?
Who is specialist on Wangan, considering tunning, trunk items and set of skills... is really hard to be beaten no matter what mode. But and a big but here: the first right corner where you need to have the peak performance, is the diference between win or lose on that track. And if i consider diferent to do that corner on Arcade or Sim? Yes, without a doubt.
- Arcade VS is the first mode that anyone will play the game. And they will be small fishes with their bone stock cars without know the physics and tracks. And noobs are diferent than newbies. They will face in their way so call griefers and Arcade VS "experts" that can´t handle Sim VS because there is no easy win there. Do i need to be more clear?
- Arcade VS compared to Sim VS, you don´t have any effort to tame the car. Nor you have effort to hold the car in sideways (the assists holds the car for you, gently). The understeers is completly diferent than Sim VS. You can´t be any genious to realize that by yourself.
- I still affirm that Sim VS not only is elitist, but always was. People hold that mode as the holy ground. There´s a level cap to filter who is worthy to play that mode. And only those who are looking for that kind of experience, even having dozen of hours playing on Arcade VS and having to learn all over again and stay humble after get wiped over and over on Sim VS, are good enough to stay. And i don´t care about that, but i REALLY CARE ABOUT to look to both servers, see 10 people playing Sim VS and 150 on Arcade VS. Its pure logic: why you would leave a mode where you´re good and competitive, and can achieve easy wins above newbies for a mode that will demand much more effort for the same payout and probably more loses?
And what to say about the purists that don´t want to have Sim VS Drift and Wait rooms? Oh... elitism again.
And Khrono, don´t try me. I know your fame from Discord and AG forums years ago.
EDIT: What Wangan on Sim VS is harder than Arcade VS?
Who is specialist on Wangan, considering tunning, trunk items and set of skills... is really hard to be beaten no matter what mode. But and a big but here: the first right corner where you need to have the peak performance, is the diference between win or lose on that track. And if i consider diferent to do that corner on Arcade or Sim? Yes, without a doubt.
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TheYellowKitten
Member
Sir,I must disagree. We are in the moment when discussions like this are most important for the game development/update. @Jack wants our feedback to improve PT,but there will be always someone who has a different point of view and thats when the "trololo" starts. Also,I dont see any problems in spend some free time in this place,I find very relaxing to talk with other mature people about a given subject in an forum,its better than being addicted to Facebook and other shit social networks like that.
Akor
Member
I bet in SIM mode even awaiting in lobby must be harder?
Well ok, give this guy a personal bonus in SIM +1000%, i give up.
Lazy Liquid
Member
Hard must be Jack´s life having to deal with people like you flaming and disturbing the topic.
Akor
Member
Not harder than with SIM elitists who can't turn on Wangan but want more payout for it.
TheYellowKitten
Member
Khrono Fujiwara
Active member
Don't try you? is that a threat little boy? Your condescending attitude is what makes you an elitist. If you don't understand this then there is no hope for you. Btw don't ever threaten me. Big bad keyboard warrior making idle threats like there is shit he could do to me.
